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Hey folks, I want to draw attention to the area description for this section ( its displayed on the Topics Menu ). I modified it to make it more clear about our stance on whats acceptable for this area. I know there are a few of you who choose to comment and criticize many of the posts here from people starting up a mud and seeking staff help. Those comments have no business here! If the post is for a mud seeking staff and you are not interested in the position, DO NOT POST, if the post is from a person seeking work in a mud and you are not interested in hiring them, DO NOT POST! We will be enforcing this so please try to adhere to this policy.

Many of you know I try to keep my moderator hat off in the forums and have for many years but I am hearing and reading from many sources how pointless it is trying to have discussion on this site - I will be working to fix that reputation and if that means some folks need to lose their access to the forums than that will happen. I hope it does not come to that.

Thank you,
Icculus

I find this encouraging :)

I really Hate having to do it but I think this place needs some shaking up. There was a time, maybe a decade ago, when I was very quick to hit the ban button and the only people back then who got mad at me about it were the people seeing the 'Access Denied Message'. I am REALLY hoping I don't have to resort to that but, well, lets just leave it at that.

I am also encouraged Hades! :)

-Icculus

You could really do a lot to fix the site's reputation with
only one or two individuals losing their access - just saying.

This is a positive step in the right direction and a fair
warning. Thank you Icculus.

Out of curiosity, if person "A" posts a legitimate topic
saying he/she has a mud and needs assistance, and person "B"
posts a reply something like, "Hey, you and your MUD aren't
legit and you're full of icky bug juice.", and now person "A"
responds back, does OP (person A) get in trouble for
responding to the reply?

(Comment added by ZyreXiaix on Tue Apr 24 13:03:52 2012)

(I also find it funny that the three people who have replied
thus far are three of the largest offenders, ... yet they
totally love this idea.)

ZyreXiaix
wrote:
Out of curiosity, if person "A" posts a legitimate topic
saying he/she has a mud and
needs assistance, and person "B"
posts a reply something like, "Hey, you and your MUD aren't

legit and you're full of icky bug juice.", and now person "A"
responds back, does OP (person A)
get in trouble for
responding to the reply?

(Comment added by ZyreXiaix on
Tue Apr 24 13:03:52 2012)

(I also find it funny that the three people who have replied

thus far are three of the largest offenders, ... yet they
totally love this idea.)

Other than the recent incident of asking a poster to clarify what they meant by "for profit" when
running a game whose license prohibits such (the subsequent clarification was provided, and they only
received encouragement and useful bumping of their thread from me thereafter), I -implore- you to find
any examples of me needlessly trolling, flaming, interfering, criticizing, or anything of the sort that
somehow makes me one of the "largest offenders".

Typically anytime I post in someone else's adverts, it's when a discussion has already been generated
that I'm participating in, other times to offer words of encouragement or advice from someone who has
been an active developer (in one form or another) for 10 years and has been a pretty regular poster here
for about 6 years. Other times have been a gentle nudge toward proper forum protocol to help, if
anything, the poster -avoid- the flaming and trolling that the site has gained a reputation for (one
recent instance was a friendly reminder to someone that generally, a poster should restrict their
adverts to once every week or two as per the forum guidelines, as people tend to flame people who post
more than that). I think you'd find that the vast majority of my posts here are in fact useful and
productive, troll and flame free.

So I sincerely ask you, if I have a misconception about my behavior here or have a misconception about
how others perceive me here, give me some examples that would get me lumped in with the likes of Jodah,
otherwise I think that comparison, if unfounded, would call for an apology on your part.

The OP in the thread should try to refrain from taking the bait, but I cant fault them for wanting to respond. The fault will lie with the responder that was posting here only to derail the request.

As far as I am concerned everyone here will start with a clean slate regarding this forum area, but I cannot promise any warnings will be issued from this point on.

It should be very easy to follow the new rule, just ignore this section entirely unless you are either looking for staff or looking for a job in a mud. :)

-Iccy

So I sincerely ask you, if I have a misconception about my behavior here or have a misconception about
how others perceive me here, give me some examples that would get me lumped in with the likes of Jodah,
otherwise I think that comparison, if unfounded, would call for an apology on your part.

I have never received any complaints about your posting behavior here Hades, have no fear! :)

-Icculus

give me some examples that would get me
lumped in with the likes of Jodah

Wow thanks for dragging my name under the bus Hades. Listen,
I started here posting ideas on how to improve muds from a
player perspective and 20 people jump on me. It's been
survival of the fittest here. I don't attack, I counter
attack and I give my honest opinions, I guess people on the
internet hate opinions. I love muds and I enjoy talking about
them and appreciate the opportunity to do so.

Now that there's a little moderation here, I can change and so
can everyone else.

I don't attack

I can come up with a list of threads an arm long where you
begin with ignorant comments and questions.

This new rule is almost explicitly aimed directly at you.

Sigh, will the attacks ever end?

Anyway I can do the same thing to you and probably everyone else on here. In fact 99.9% of your posts are meant to inflame.

Icculus said clean slate. Leave me alone and I'll leave everyone else alone.

I'm willing to try giving this clean slate thing a try.

ZyreXiaix wrote:
person "B" posts a reply something like, "Hey, you and your MUD aren't legit...

Are you wondering whether the moderation gives you license to violate licenses?

ZyreXiaix wrote:
(I also find it funny that the three people who have replied
thus far are three of the largest offenders, ... yet they
totally love this idea.)

Like HK, I would also love to know why I am lumped in with the likes of Jodah. I join discussions that are already taking place, I
counter Jodah's barbs cross-thread, I offer helpful advice and I sometimes (not so much as I used to, because meh - busy with life)
point out the egregious cases of thread necro/wrong board/new thread for a reply.

Jodah wrote:
Listen, I started here posting ideas on how to improve muds from a
player perspective and 20 people jump on me. It's been
survival of the fittest here. I don't attack, I counter
attack and I give my honest opinions, I guess people on the
internet hate opinions.

The problem is that your opinions are often provably wrong and harmful (i.e. Legal Advice by Jodah). That is why 20 people jump on
you, especially after it is explained to you why your opinion/advice is wrong and harmful. You play the surprised, innocent
bystander card well, but deep down, you know there is intent behind your actions. Nearly everyone else on the site knows it. I know
a number of people who have left TMC, citing you as the reason. They discuss it on other sites where they know your antics wouldn't
go a day without perma-ban.

Oh hi Lyanic, thanks for stopping by with your personal
attacks again. Apparently I'm this vast criminal mastermind
with hidden strategic agendas behind every post. *rolls eyes*

(Comment added by Jodah on Tue Apr 24 20:32:18 2012)

"They discuss it on other sites where they know your antics
wouldn't go a day without perma-ban."

I'm not surprised. Why debate dissenting views when you could
just silence them?

This is a really refreshing change. I find it really
frustrating when I see a post for staff, and people start
tearing them to shreds for no good reason.

This has never been an especially kind forum, and yes, we can
be vicious, but I've long wished that the staffing board could
just be left to staffing.

Are you wondering whether the moderation gives you license to violate licenses?

Am actually curious about this.

Obviously if someone posts for builders it'd be uncalled for to respond saying that their mud was a steaming pile of manure.

Is it safe to assume that if I logged on and found it to be violating the DIKU license that posting that as a reply still be within the new rules though?

Drizzt1216 wrote:
Is it safe to assume that if I logged on and found it to be violating the DIKU license that posting that as a reply still be within the new rules though?

Maybe a better approach is to create a post in another forum like the Legal Issues forum.

A post of that nature would belong elsewhere, the best place would be legal as Tyche suggested or General would also be fine. The threads here ( besides this one of course ) should only be communications between muds seeking staff and players seeking work, nothing else.

Thanks,
Iccy

Jodah wrote:
Oh hi Lyanic, thanks for stopping by with your personal attacks again.

That's right, you're always the victim. Keep repeating it and you might get a few newbies to believe it.

Also, you reap what you sow.

This is a really refreshing change. I find it really
frustrating when I see a post for staff, and people start
tearing them to shreds for no good reason.

This has never been an especially kind forum, and yes, we can
be vicious, but I've long wished that the staffing board could
just be left to staffing.

Not kind indeed! I have referred to it recently as the wild west. Makes me wonder what the place would be like if all those years ago I instead chose to make the forums completely moderated ( eg all posts must be approved before going live ) rather than left for the community to policy ( which did work for awhile )...

-Icculus

Jodah is the worst offender for posting random rubbish on
every single thread thats posted.. one day a while back on
every single thread on the front page jodah was the last
person to have posted on there... and the posts were not even
relevant to the topics...

Jodah is the worst offender for posting random rubbish on
every single thread thats posted.. one day a while back on
every single thread on the front page jodah was the last
person to have posted on there... and the posts were not even
relevant to the topics...

This may be the case, I don't know because I have been absent from the forums for too long. My 7-yr old and 8-yr old try to occupy all my time, and I love it, but it takes me away from everything else.

In any event, Jodah as well as everyone else here gets a clean slate ( as far as I am concerned ) and I ask you all to forgive any past trespasses and try to look forward.

A proposed set of guidelines to live by:

1. If someone new creates an account here and posts something in the wrong place, or violates what everyone else knows as proper etiquette instead of flaming, try to explain politely what they did and what they should have done.

2. If someone that has been here for awhile does something similar try to not to take the bait, instead either add them to your killfile or just email me - My itchy ban finger will not tolerate much at the moment.

3. When in doubt, killfile someone that bothers you here and you wont need to see their posts again.

I know its hard to overlook past discretions but I am asking nicely that you all try.

-Iccy

That's right, you're always
the victim. Keep repeating it and you might get a few
newbies to believe it.

Lyanic, leave me alone already! Your obsession with me is
disturbing. I'm sorry I don't like your mud and that I have
different opinions, just move on already.

Jodah is the worst offender
for posting random rubbish on every single thread thats
posted.. one day a while back on every single thread on the
front page jodah was the last person to have posted on
there.

You're maligning me for being an active forum poster?
Really? I don't post "random rubbish".